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April 27, 2011

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Neo

... and nobody or animal was hurt or injured in the process of producing this meager document.

CJW

Critics: Obama’s Latest Long-Form Birth Certificate Is a Fake …

brian hudson

Hell even I can come up with a birth certificate showing my fake age and place of birth, I don't believe it. The government can and will do anything it wants. join a TEA PARTY in your area and fight back get rid if the (2)party system vote independent or commuinest party I don't care just get rid of the lawyers and lairs in office now we will be better off.

Neo

This is a 2011 electronic presentation of a microfilm of Obama's "long form" COLB.

They scanned the microfilm, which is a "negative" of the actual original (long ago discarded). They negated it again to make it positive, quantized the "grey level" scanned image to "black or white," then added the cross-hatched background electronically as a separate layer, to make it look like it had been printed on safety paper.

The reality here that many seem to forget is that the State of Hawaii can change the presentation of a COLB anytime they wish. Just because it doesn't look like a COLB issues 10 years ago doesn't make it a fake. They sign and attest on the bottom that this is an accurate copy of the original COLB, not the original COLB itself.

My suggestion, just look at the black portion of the pdf, it is a copy of a microfilm copy of the original COLB ... and it is as close to a "real" COLB as we will ever see .. for anybody in 2011.

Frank Warner

So Neo, you're saying the original birth certificate is probably authentic, correct?

CJW

No one can say with 100% surety that it's fake.

If you are to believe it's genuine, then yes Obama's dad was born in Kenya.

jj mollo

The goalposts are in constant motion in the minds of conspiracy theorists. Obama should have asked, "If I get it for you, will you then believe me?" The answer is always "yes!" until the document is produced. And then it's never good enough.

Serious people recognize that there is a Heisenberg's limit on the drill-down into evidence. You can have footnotes, but your footnotes can't all have footnotes. You therefore establish a single unified coherent hypothesis that can withstand the preponderance of the evidence. People who question a given hypothesis need to advance their own self-consistent hypotheses with superior evidence. Conspiracy accusers should be required to specify the exact nature and extent of the hypothetical conspiracy. When the charges are refuted, they can't just extend the conspiracy to n+1, rescuing their delusions by means of infinite regress.

jj mollo

Here is a response to the Adobe Illustrator distraction.

There are a hundred conceivable reasons why Obama might conceivably hide or fabricate his birth certificate. So pick one and prove it.

It doesn't make sense anyway. If he had a reason to hide it, why did he fabricate it? He could have just continued to sit on it, ignoring all the anklebiters.

Neo

This is why Obama needed to release a copy of the original COLB, Hawaii issues birth certificates for children not born there. If you believe otherwise, please explain this Hawaiian law.

"Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."
CJW

If Obama had been honest and transparent all along (he hasn't been), no one would have much wiggle room to criticize him. But, he made his bed and he gets to sleep in it.

Frank Warner

I just wanted to see it. I want to see everything. I'm sure this document will have its practical historical uses, especially on nailing down which hospital Obama was born in, and the age of his father. It probably holds information we haven't even noticed yet.

We rely on curious journalists and historians to demand the best documentation of the course of world events. I'm appalled that so many of them suspended their intellectual curiosity simply because the president is a Democrat.

It was even more disgraceful that so many news outlets falsely told us we already had seen the original birth certificate when we hadn't, and that just last month, Politico actually told us that seeing the original was legally impossible.

I'm especially curious to see anything Obama wrote while he was in college and law school. It would be a fascinating insight into his thinking. No major media journalist has asked to see his writings, and considering the silence on a matter as easy as a birth certificate, I don't expect the press to start pressing now.

Past is prologue. It helps everyone to know what the past was.

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