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July 01, 2004

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A Veteran

"Bwah hah! You think Joe Wilson is
a "GREAT American"!? You're an idiot."

I see, name calling.. nice
I'm trying to refrain from calling you an unresearched idiot basing your "opinions" on Ann Coulter and Rush rants. You have "opinions" such as a "imminent threat" against the findings of EVERYBODY else. Ten minutes of Hannity does NOT a researched American make pal....

"And, AGAIN you failed to respond answer my question. I'll ask one more time. What did Joe Wilson disprove?"

I answered your question..
On March 7th, Mohamed ElBaradei, the director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, in Vienna, told the U.N. Security Council that the documents involving the Niger-Iraq uranium sale were fakes. “The I.A.E.A. has concluded, with the concurrence of outside experts, that these documents . . . are in fact not authentic,” ElBaradei said.
One senior I.A.E.A. official went further. He told me, “These documents are so bad that I cannot imagine that they came from a serious intelligence agency. It depresses me, given the low quality of the documents, that it was not stopped. At the level it reached, I would have expected more checking.”
http://newyorker.com/fact/content/?030331fa_fact1
Tenet's statement... which is THIS. "Finally, the claims of Iraqi pursuit of natural uranium in Africa are, in INR's assessment, highly dubious."

Have you answered mine? the THREAT? Oh that vial of useless botox found in a fridge? Oh yeah...

I see you still cannot prove the threat the link or the ties "truth man"? Ann Coulter does nothing there but (once again) rant on about a person's character--such as the "lie" Wilson stated about his wife's "recommendation".. Is that it? Valerie Plame NOW makes policy decisions for the Central Intelligence Agency? Is defaming a messengers character all that is looked at? That's a constant thing with you guys. No accountability, shifting the blame, shooting the messenger, and not realizing that the country comes first, the "party" is around 23rd place..

""A Veteran" and Joe Wilson both accused G.W. Bush of lying; that saying holds true big time."

I see you STILL believe info concerning WMD's regardless of the findings of the UN, the UN Weapons inspectors, the US Weapons inspectors, the CIA, the State Dept, and countless others?
It's quite simple for you to quote the info on Valerie and her "recommendation" from the findings, but disregard the truths of NO threat, No link, No ties eh?

Feb. 5, 2003
Secretary of State Colin Powell makes his presentation to the United Nations. He OMITS the uranium story. Three months later, he tells reporters he did not repeat the allegation because "I didn't sense in going through it all that I saw enough substantiation of it that would meet the tests that we were applying."
March 7, 2003
International Atomic Energy Agency head Mohamed ElBaradei says "the reports of recent uranium transaction between Iraq and Niger are in fact not authentic" and "unfounded."
June 8, 2003
On ABCNEWS' This Week, Rice says that at the time the State of the Union address was being prepared, "there were also other sources that said that … the Iraqis were seeking yellowcake, uranium oxide from Africa. And that was taken out of a British report. Clearly, that particular report, we learned subsequently, subsequently, was NOT credible."
July 9, 2003
White House press secretary Ari Fleischer tells reporters, "With the advantage of hindsight, it's known now what was not known by the White House prior to the speech. This information should NOT have risen to the level of a presidential speech."
July 9, 2003
In testimony before Senate Armed Services Committee, Rumsfeld says it was only "within recent days" that he learned that reports about uranium coming out of Africa WERE bogus.
July 11, 2003
Tenet releases a statement saying the CIA approved of the State of the Union speech before it was delivered. Tenet says, "These 16 words should NEVER have been included in the text written for the president."

Maybe Valerie "recommended" the above people, huh?
but hey "truth man", keep trying...because the admin stopped trying...
Read the above info all over again if Ann Coulter's "rant" has gotten you confused...

A Veteran
WAKE UP America!


truth_man

"A Veteran," you have three serious problems:
1) You STILL did not answer about what Joe Wilson proved (or disproved). I'll answer the question for you. HE PROVED NOTHING! Live with it.
2) Those forged documents (which I admit are forged) do NOT prove that Iraq was not seeking uranium from Niger. You think they prove a negative. You have a mental block. You cannot get past these. The comments you cite are based on these documents. They are out of context in the sense that they do not benefit from all of the facts. Omitting the claim from a UN presentation again does not make it false; it means nothing (but you rely on it). There was confusion in the wake of the forged documents. It seems G.W. Bush got it right. Pushing the issue would only make blockheads like you more confused. The IAEC claim was based on the forged documents; not other intelligence which they did not access to. They aren't part of the US intelligence community; they don't know what we know. That British report apparently WAS credible. An inquiry said so.
3) Joe Wilson LIED MULTIPLE TIMES. You focus on his lie about not being recommended by his wife. While it corroborates my case that he is a liar, that is not the lie I am talking about when I say he lied. I'm talking about the more relevant lie when he claimed Bush was lying. He had NO information that contrdicted Bush. He hadn't seen the forged documents and the CIA report from his mission doesn't have anything that disputed Bush's version either. Why is there a difference in what he reports officially and what he tells the press? And why do you believe what he told the press? He even backpedaled saying he may have "misstated." MISSTATED!? He admits he "misstated" but you still accept his claims.

By the way, Joe Wilson is still on the Kerry web site under "RestoreHonesty.com." What a hoot!
I guess they picture him because he is the man that needs to turn honest!

truth_man

Here is a good summary of Joe Wilson from Senator Pat Roberts:
"Time and again, Joe Wilson told anyone who would listen that the president had lied to the American people, that the vice president had lied, and that he had 'debunked' the claim that Iraq was seeking uranium from Africa. . . . [N]ot only did he NOT 'debunk' the claim, he actually gave some intelligence analysts even more reason to believe that it may be true.'

Roberts said much of what Wilson said "had no basis in fact."

A Veteran

Yawn.. still nothing..

"1) You STILL did not answer about what Joe Wilson proved (or disproved). I'll answer the question for you. HE PROVED NOTHING! Live with it."

Actually I did, again, answer you. Joe Wilson said it, and so did these people...
Please, thake the time to read this AGAIN, please notice the names of the people saying it... NO threat, No link, No ties...
Feb. 5, 2003
Secretary of State Colin Powell makes his presentation to the United Nations. He OMITS the uranium story. Three months later, he tells reporters he did not repeat the allegation because "I didn't sense in going through it all that I saw enough substantiation of it that would meet the tests that we were applying."
March 7, 2003
International Atomic Energy Agency head Mohamed ElBaradei says "the reports of recent uranium transaction between Iraq and Niger are in fact not authentic" and "unfounded."
June 8, 2003
On ABCNEWS' This Week, Rice says that at the time the State of the Union address was being prepared, "there were also other sources that said that … the Iraqis were seeking yellowcake, uranium oxide from Africa. And that was taken out of a British report. Clearly, that particular report, we learned subsequently, subsequently, was NOT credible."
July 9, 2003
White House press secretary Ari Fleischer tells reporters, "With the advantage of hindsight, it's known now what was not known by the White House prior to the speech. This information should NOT have risen to the level of a presidential speech."
July 9, 2003
In testimony before Senate Armed Services Committee, Rumsfeld says it was only "within recent days" that he learned that reports about uranium coming out of Africa WERE bogus.
July 11, 2003
Tenet releases a statement saying the CIA approved of the State of the Union speech before it was delivered. Tenet says, "These 16 words should NEVER have been included in the text written for the president."

"2) Those forged documents (which I admit are forged) do NOT prove that Iraq was not seeking uranium from Niger. You think they prove a negative."

uh, read the above again, look at ALL the information from MULTIPLE sources besides Wilson and remember, agaaaaain, this.."Yesterday's report said that whether Iraq sought to buy lightly enriched "yellowcake" uranium from Niger is one of the few bits of prewar intelligence that remains an open question." You can't prove there WAS either....hello? There was not conclusive evidence Iraq actually purchased the material, nor did the government make that claim. What's that word I hear? Listen very closely, FORGED DOCUMENTS.

Oh, by the way.. where's the threat???? Still blaming it on the CIA, who TENET said out of his mouth that he NEVER said Iraq was an "imminent threat"....Again, look into Douglas Feith and the "Office of Special Plans". Most peculiar still, is that you chant the wmd "programs" of the Niger incident on an "IF" and a "tried to"...
Forged Documents, DIDN'T get it, and compares to all the other crap coming out of this admin.

"By the way, Joe Wilson is still on the Kerry web site under "RestoreHonesty.com." What a hoot! "

and?... That says nothing but what it says about many who worked for this admin, Gen Zinni, the Police and first responders who are now on Kerry's side because this admins promises of "funding" were bogus, and even the Veteran's Administration...Do you REALLY think Wilson would support this admin? lol muah muuahahha hahahahaa!
Accountability...hey, give it a try...
Shifting the blame, shooting the messenger, and supporting a "party" no matter what, makes for a lousy American.....

A Veteran
WAKE UP America!


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