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February 15, 2004


Iraq Free R.

Well said.


You missed a couple. From the 2002 State of the Union address:

"This is a regime that has already used poison gas to murder thousands of its own citizens, leaving the bodies of mothers huddled over their dead children."

from the 2003 SOTU:

"Iraqi refugees tell us how forced confessions are obtained: by torturing children while their parents are made to watch. International human rights groups have catalogued other methods used in the torture chambers of Iraq: electric shock, burning with hot irons, dripping acid on the skin, mutilation with electric drills, cutting out tongues, and rape."

The case, that liberation was part of the goal in invading Iraq from the beginning, is ironclad.

Frank Warner

Let me add this: If you were trying to pay attention to the preparations for the invasion of Iraq and you didn't hear any American or British leader declare that Saddam Hussein's repression should be replaced by democracy, you should have complained to the president and your representatives in Congress.

You should have insisted, in light of Saddam's known mass slaughters and ongoing human rights abuses, that it be declared the goal of the invading nations that tyranny end and democracy be established in Iraq, as solidly as it was established in west Germany and Japan after World War II.

If you did not insist on a free Iraq, why not? Why were you silent in the face of fascism? Why so conservative?

Red Star

Shut the f--- up, Warner. Your lunatic ranting is all I can take. YOu sound like a skinhead punk with twisted moral thinking that by using force backed with some bulls--- cockamamy ethical reason to attack another country justifices the USA in attacking Iraqi is a farce!

You want to give freedome to some Iraqi who's abused by Sadaam? Why don't you feel the same for millions in N.Korea? Or how about millions (MILLIONS!) in parts of Africa that are dying due to civil war, faminine, dieseas and dictators?
Some examples: S.Africa (pre 1990s), Libya's sponser terrorism and it's dictator Kadaffi, Angola's child war, and Sudan's religious fighting...just to name a few.

If you pull the line on this morality/ethical/freedom crap that your government brainwashes you with, then ATLEAST apply that to other more needy places!

Frank Warner

I know you're in a hurry to free the world, dear Red Star. But one at a time.

In early 2003, Saddam Hussein happened to hold the world record among living dictators for deaths by genocide, war and state-ordered murder. In the preceding 25 years, he also had invaded and attacked more of his neighbors than any other dictator.

So once Afghanistan was liberated, Iraq was the next most logical nation to liberate.

Once democracy takes hold there, we can look to other nations to free.

China hasn't been busy liberating anyone lately. Why doesn't China liberate North Korea?

Oh, yes, China first would have to liberate itself from the Communist dictatorship.

Red Star

One at a time? Give me a break! You keep evading the issue by commenting back with another moronic rhetoric.
First Afganhistan, then Iraqi...I don't see another invasion plan. So there goes your mononic argument.

Yeah, I should push to have a free Black America how's that?

Give California to the Black Americans.
Give Texas to the Hispanic Americans.
and White america can keep the rest.

How's that? What bs comment do you have for that? If you understand these questions, then you'll understand the internation ones bacause they are one and the same.

jj mollo

Ask the black Americans and hispanic Americans in Iraq what they are fighting for. Ask them what the best country in the world is. There will be exceptions, of course, but any fool could tell you what they'll say.

Now ask the Afghans and Iraqis when our forces should depart. You can read the answer here:

Maybe they are just glad to be done with war, but I think they are glad to be free.

North Korea is a psychotic culture. For the sake of world peace, it will have to change, now or later. Someone has got to do the dirty work. For anyone to suggest that pressuring China to fix the North Korea problem is comparable to pressuring the US to radically change the distribution and demographics of our 50 states is a case of willful blindness.

Maybe North Koreans will tell you they are happy the way they are, but any fool can tell otherwise. Maybe some American citizens will tell you they are dreadfully unhappy and treated unjustly, but any fool can tell otherwise.

If you can't, I guess you're not even a fool.

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