I finally saw the transcript of what Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly asked Barney Frank about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac last week. Essentially, he let “Meltdown Barney” off the hook.
Frank claimed, contrary to reality, it was the Bush administration, and not Frank himself, that was pushing Fannie and Freddie to make the $1 trillion in high-risk loans that drove the economy into this deep recession.
From the June 24 interview:
O’Reilly: You’ve gone almost full cycle here. The last time we were yelling at each other was about your oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. And we disagreed in a very loud-volume discussion that everybody in the world saw. Now you’re back saying that the banks should loosen up the condominium loans. And again, some people are saying, The Wall Street Journal today, hey, he’s doing the same thing, Congressman Frank is social engineering with the banking system just what he did with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. And you say?
Frank: Well, they’re completely wrong. In the first place, I was a strong opponent of the Bush administration’s effort to send loans to people who couldn’t afford it.
I wanted to build rental housing for people, which is not the case where the mortgages went bad. I have a consistent record in opposing the Bush administration’s pushing, including Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, into low-interest mortgages that I thought were a mistake.
With the condominiums, we’re not talking about subprime or poor people. We do have this problem in cities with vacant properties causing serious problems for the cities. What I want is to say this, here’s the rule. They have a rule that they will not finance a condominium unless 70 percent of the units of the building are already sold. I’m not talking at all about whether or not that borrower can pay for it. They should not allow any borrower who can’t pay for it to do it. But I think they’ve got a vicious cycle. If you won’t fund anybody until it’s 70 percent, it will never be 70 percent. And you have a serious problem throughout cities of vacant property.
O’Reilly: As long as you’re not going to go into the social engineering realm --
Frank: I was opposed to the subprime mortgages.
O’Reilly: Well, some people say that’s not true.
Frank: Bill, that's not rational. That's not a way to hold a conversation.
O’Reilly: Look, is The Wall Street Journal not rational?
Frank: I’ll show you the record.
O’Reilly: Are they not rational, The Wall Street Journal?
Frank: No, on this issue --
O’Reilly: Are they not rational?
Frank: -- no. In fact, not on this issue. In 2007, when I first became chairman and filed a bill and got it through the House to restrict subprime lending The Wall Street Journal editorials attacked me for restricting loans to people who should get them. They have been totally wrong and were, until very recently, pushing more of these loans and criticizing us for trying to restrain them. I don't think that's rational.
O’Reilly: We gave you your say tonight. You happy?
Frank: With what?
O’Reilly: With everything, with life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Frank: No, I’m never happy with everything, Bill. I'm not happy with everything.
O’Reilly: All right. You’re welcome back any time.
Frank escapes. I’ll bet Barney Frank was ecstatic with that interview. He got away with everything.
By the time Frank proposed any action to regulate Fannie and Freddie, in 2007, the bad loans already were made, the damage was done. I doubt he can cite any time between 1990 and 2005 when he made a public statement opposing the high-risk loans at Fannie and Freddie. Too bad O’Reilly didn’t ask him about that.
Last time, on Oct. 2, O’Reilly wasted an interview opportunity to ask Frank about urging to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make risky loans in the 1990s, and to ask about Frank’s opposition in 2003 to the Bush administration’s attempt to rein in Fannie and Freddie’s reckless lending practices.
O’Reilly muffed it again. Does O’Reilly do any research for that show? Why does he keep letting Frank escape unexposed for the catastrophe he caused? Does he expect PBS, CNN and MSNBC to do that story?
Frank Warner
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