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January 09, 2008


Christopher Taylor

I don't have any faith in people who vote for people based on their skin tone.


Given that I don't particularly care for Hillary Clinton, I guess I would be a little disheartened if my candidate lost to her. However, who is to say race was the deciding factor? I'm skeptical myself.

And allow the cynic in me to point something else out. If blacks feel they are discriminated by Democrats, why do they tie themselves so strongly to that party while simultaneously rejecting the Republican party? I don't get it.

Bill Clinton, "the first black president," did nothing for blacks. He couldn't even find room for one in a high level cabinet position while the G.W. Bush has appointed multiple blacks to these positions. Democrat Clinton talked the talk but he never walked the walk. Republican Bush is the unsung proponent.

jj mollo

The analysis I heard was that Hillary won because of the huge majority she had among women voters in New Hampshire and lost in Iowa because the women there voted against her. I find it hard to believe that women voters are any more prejudiced than men. I think that prejudice has very little to do with this campaign, a fact with which Obama would probably agree. Obama deserves great praise for his accomplishments, which he earned by his vigorous and effective campaigning. Democrats of all stripes like him a lot, even those who voted for Clinton. Many democrats do not like Clinton, but some of those voted for her anyway. You tell me why.

When it comes time, I will cast my vote for Hillary Clinton because of her centrist positions and the fact that she supported the war in Iraq. Of the Democrats, she is the best on that issue with the exception of Joe Lieberman. Clinton is smart and experienced. Obama is smart and charismatic. And Joe Lieberman isn't running.

jj mollo

The black appointees that Bush came up with were conservatives with serious relevant experience. Clinton appointed the first black Secretary of Commerce. It was a tricky deal for him because the leading black liberals were Jessee Jackson and Al Sharpton, people who have serious negative polling for reasons unassociated with race.

jj mollo

Here's an assessment from 2002 about Bill Clinton's race cred. Here's a copy of a Black Enterprise article dated 3/1/94 describing some of Clinton's black appointments.

Frank Warner

Nevertheless, Bill Clinton was not the "first black president" anymore than Hillary Clinton would be the "second black president."

I don't like to accept divisions by skin color. There's one race, the human race. But electing someone like Barack Obama finally would put behind us the question --could America ever elect an African-American president?

It also would finish off the question: Do all our presidents have to come from two or three families?

jj mollo

I believe Colin Powell could have been elected. He didn't want the job. Condi Rice might try someday. Assuming he loses, Obama will try again. Oprah could probably get elected today. I think Bill Cosby would have been a viable candidate if he had gotten into politics when he was young. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton certainly never had a chance, but that was because of their personal qualities, not their race. I'm planning on supporting Michael Nutter in about 16 years when he runs.

Black Americans have really only had a chance for the last 20 years, but have had no candidates. The odds, based on population, are ten to one against. So we can expect it to happen in, what, the next 40 years? But think about it. It really comes down to the candidate. If David Petraeus were running against Obama, I don't think I could vote my party. I'm not sure I could vote against McCain for Obama either. I would have been happy to vote for Colin Powell, though, no matter which ticket he ran on.

Christopher Taylor

Frank: you're limiting your entire scope to Democratic Party candidates. No Bush or Clinton is running on that side.

jj mollo

NH results broken down by demographic categories.

Frank Warner

Christopher, it's not likely I'll ever vote for a Republican for president. The way things are going, it's almost as unlikely I'll ever vote for another Democrat.

Both parties are much too corrupt, cowardly and conservative.

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