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December 06, 2007

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Danny L. McDaniel

The NIE report is what it is claimed to be: an estimate. Estimates have been known to be completely wrong, many times they are wildly wrong. What is missing in this process is on the ground eye-witness reporting and inspection. This critical lack of information makes the NIE nothing more than a well writtem undergraduate college termpaper. This report contains many statements that cannot be verified or tested. Critics of President Bush might want to ask themselves What the difference is between an estimate and a questimate? The answer: nothing.

This report is more spectulation than factual. It is nothing more than a report written by committee to cover the collective rear-ends of a bunch of career track bureaucrats. This filmsy piece of fiction is what the US is basing national security upon. Cold comfort if it wrong if only by a few months.

Danny L. McDaniel
Lafayette, Indiana

SDN

I'm curious why the Left believes the CIA now, but won't even let their recruiters on campus.

And of course, I'm waiting for President Bush to get on prime time, and say:"They stopped work in 2003. Hmmmm. What else happened in 2003? Well, we smashed the sh*t out of another rogue state that wouldn't come clean. Looks like the Iranians and the Libyans drew the correct conclusion. Of course, our Copperheads will never admit this, in whatever reality they live in.... but they've managed to give aid and comfort to the enemy, making him believe it can't happen again."

Paul

In his UN presentation, didn't Colin Powell cite "intercepted radio conversations" as proof Iraq was hiding chemical weapons?

Steve in Utah

The new N.I.E will go down in history as the Neveil Chamberland moment of our time.

Shawn

Good point, Paul! So what makes this intel any more reliable than the Iraqi WMD reports? Also, some reports cite the NIE as containing close to 150 pages. The public gets a little less than 10. That's a considerable knowledge deficit.

Jabba the Tutt

This NIE is government corruption. This is a scandal. Where are the GOP and honest Democrats Members of Congress? Where are the members of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees? This is not a scandal about wide stances or frozen cash, this is corruption that is have effects around the world. Russia and China are already changing their foreign policies. IMHO this scandal puts Americans at greater risk and the world at greater risk of heading into a nuclear war.

Frank Warner

There is a useful side to all this. As I said yesterday, the new NIE may reduce the incentive for Iran’s dictatorship to complete an atomic weapon.

Before the report, the Iranian people took pride in the idea that they were building nuclear weapons. After the report, they’re more likely to take pride in the idea that they’re not building nuclear weapons.

Let's work with this idea, and ask them diplomatically to prove just how peaceful their intentions are.

This could be one of those rare high-stakes win-win situations.

Ted Koppel said the same thing today on NPR.

kwo

Exactly how long does it take to draw up and build a shell capable of carrying an atomic bomb atop a missile?

It's actually quite difficult. Remember it took U.S. scientists years to go from "Fat Man" and "Little Boy" to the more compact designs that first sat atop the Atlas.

Dennis

I suspect that my memory is failing me...but didn't we just go through this identical scenario with North Korea and THEIR madman Kim Jong Il. I believe we even provided them food and warmth while they spent their time secretly building an arsenal of Nukes. Of course, we were appropriately surprised...like... who could have possibly foreseen such a thing.

Frank Warner

We're not concerned only with secretive regimes capable of delivering atom bombs on missiles.

We're concerned about secretive regimes capable of delivering atom bombs, period.

No Oil for Pacifists

Agreed: "If Iran quit bomb-building half a decade ago, why did it block International Atomic Energy Agency inspections required under its commitments to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty?"

Neo

The whole debate has been reduced to saying .. it’s safe now that they have suspended making a gun, while they continue to make the bullets.

jj mollo

To this day, I am not worried that France and the UK and Israel have the bomb. I was very worried about the USSR, especially during its collapse. I was not worried at all when the drunken lunatic, Boris Yeltsin, was running Russia. I am worried again, now that the suave and businesslike Vladimir Putin seems to be expanding his scope of influence. Do you share my feelings on this?

I am not particularly worried about Pakistan, though some would say I should be. I'm not worried at all about India. I am a little worried about the mini-me in North Korea, but not enough to lose sleep over. Why do you suppose that is?

With Iran, however, I am worried. There's nothing particular I can do about it but fret and write a few words, but I still worry. I'm worried by their IEDs. I'm worried by their kidnap teams. I'm worried by their business dealings with Russia and China. It's funny. Australia does a lot of business with China and I don't worry too much about that. I'm worried about Iran's dealings in Syria and Lebanon and the Gaza Strip. I'm worried about pistachios and dates. I'm very worried about oil. Everything about Iran makes me worry. Do you think that the Bush/Cheney propaganda has gotten to me? No doubt we want to steal their oil; it worked out so well in Iraq. Maybe we want to steal the pistachios.

When I think of Iran, I can't help but think about Manhattan and Omaha for some reason. I think about the city of Bam and rescue dogs. I think about the liquor stores that were closed in Basra and the drunks on Bourbon Street. I think about the greenhouses that Israelis turned over to the Palestinians in Gaza. I think about the Buddha statues in Afghanistan and Buddha statues in Chinatown. I think about Teddy bears and cartoons and Auschwitz and David Irving and Theo Van Gogh. I think about Fallujah and Jonestown, the sack of Berlin and the Banzai Cliff at Saipan. I think about people who clear minefields with goats and children. I think about a guy I know who tours baseball fields and makes balsa wood models of them. I think about the nimbus that circled the head of a certain Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and how the trees lay in a circle around Tunguska.

I know that such imagery is no substitute for logical thinking. I believe in logical thinking. The NIE report, I'm sure, is a masterpiece of logical thinking. It does not, however, comfort me in the slightest.

jj mollo

This, however, gives me some comfort. (by way of Tigerhawk)

Frank Warner

Wow, maybe everything is a hoax!

I kid.

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